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Poster: Liamfinnegan Date: Aug 28, 2006 3:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: China-Rider

As we gain new listeners every day it is important to re-visit the important combos and find out- what are your current favorites- those who have chimed in before- do you have any new ones? Newbies- what about you- where is the China RIder you love that I have not heard?

6/16/90 is my favorite 90's version right now

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Poster: sydthecat Date: Aug 28, 2006 4:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: China-Rider

Mine are the usuals.

6/30/88 (Rochester,NY)
MSG 9/20/90
UCSB 5/25/74

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Poster: kschneid Date: Aug 29, 2006 7:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: China-Rider

Speaking of Rochester, I've always liked 9/2/80

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Poster: Max Chorak Date: Aug 28, 2006 4:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: China-Rider

The one on the Grateful Dead Movie is pretty amazing... it picks up real quick.. and its nice to have a visual, because you can tell Jerry and the band are just digging it up. As for a non visual China>rider, I like the one from Stanley Theatre (Dick's pick's volume 11)... its just jamming... plus bobby does this octave higher sqeaky note thing in the initial china cat riff. But i love the one on the GD movie :)

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Poster: The Bopper Date: Aug 29, 2006 2:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: China-Rider

In my opinion nothing post coma can hold candle to versions from fall '81 - '84. Jerry's speed and precision is unmatched at any point in his career. During the transition jams that he really shines. Check out the transitions on 8/7/82 and 9/10/83 and compare that to anything from the late 80's or 90's. Here are my wild ones:

8/7/82 - Best
8/10/82
9/5/82
10/10/82
8/21/83
9/10/83
6/26/84
3/28/85

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Poster: caspersvapors Date: Aug 29, 2006 9:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: China-Rider

3/8/81
2/15/73

^^for smoking solos

the hundred year hall version has the smoothest transition ive ever heard

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Poster: darazn1 Date: Aug 28, 2006 4:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: China-Rider

6/16/90 was my first show. I went in well educated in GD setlist history and everything I could gain. Maybe the one in ten thousand who came for the show. Nonetheless, at that time in my life, I wanted to hear lots of space. I got my wish.

Re: China Cat's, some great ones that stand out in my mind are as follows: 12/30/89 with Airto Moriera. A true powerhouse, and maybe the first I had of an audience tape.

6/25/85 was definitely notable.

12/28/88, though short, has a super-charged energy that lasts the entire show.

4/1/90, the Without a Net version, stands out as a great intro.

I recently heard 9/2/80, and was pleasantly surprised. The final jam in Rider is way over the top. Can't neglect the 8/24 and 9/6/80 performances. Difficult to consider what makes one suprior to the other when so many High quality versions.

6/26/74 is ultra-extended. 11/11/73 has a great energy, effortlessly soaring. 8/27/72 is great for a while till Jerry goes out of tune, then picks up when he gets back in.

7/29/88, though often highly praised, is pretty sloppy. Setlist isn't everything.

I'm sure there's some great Hornsby versions. In fact, I recall the 10/27/91 performance being no slouch, although the suffering is evident.

I thoroughly enjoyed the China>Rider from 5/3/91, but I don't know what I'd think of it today.

The lyrical quality of Jerry's lines in '94 is something to behold, and I'm sure there's some great performances in there. It would be very interesting to remix some of those '94 shows so that Jerry's guitar should be made audible and we could hear what he was playing. I can think of some brilliant solos he took in '95 that just didn't make it far into the p.a. Only the best listeners can access that brilliance. maybe he was transfering his music only to those who really cared.

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Poster: high flow Date: Aug 28, 2006 4:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: China-Rider

Hey gang(cheezy greeting) - Good topic for Monday. Light and fun!

4-5-71 towering Jerry leads
5-3-91 mentioned earlier, was my 20th birthday(shroom your toes in the cal expo grass)
9-24-91 is pretty cool too(w/Hornsby)

This post was modified by high flow on 2006-08-28 23:59:33

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Poster: darazn1 Date: Aug 28, 2006 5:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: China-Rider

Just checked out 6/30/88 for the first time sseveral great moments, particularly the groove they fall into at the transitional jam.

8/19/89 also comes to mind, since the I know You Rider is so good.

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Poster: darazn1 Date: Aug 28, 2006 5:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: China-Rider

Just heard 9/24/91 for the first time. Electric dixieland in full swing. Jerry's a little tired, but relevant and inspired.

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Poster: sydthecat Date: Aug 28, 2006 6:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: China-Rider

Oh yeah! 13/30/89 is a bitch! Right off a blistering Jack Straw.

Another I had forgotten: 4/1/88. It's the China>Rider that got played at our wedding party. Check it out.

I'm a big fan of Long Beach '88 out of Let it Grow too.

And the December Winterland one out of Playin' in '77 is a treat because they give it that swingin' '77 feel.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Aug 28, 2006 5:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: China-Rider

6/16/74

For some reason, I cant stop listening to this. I've been streaming it every night for like six weeks straight, every night. Before this is was the New Potato Caboose from 3/29/68, every night. Soomebody please help me...

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Poster: sydthecat Date: Aug 29, 2006 7:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: China-Rider

Sing Amazing grace to the tune of Gilligan's Island!!

Play El Paso from USCB '74! Preferably an audience version.

Play your favourite Shakedown Street.

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Poster: coldrain Date: Aug 28, 2006 5:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: China-Rider

10-5-84 Charlotte NC was my 1st and favorite. Great Aud recording still available as well.

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Poster: sydthecat Date: Aug 28, 2006 6:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: China-Rider Typo

Okay folks, there is no 13/30/89 obviously. I meant 12/30/89 responding to another post's choice of it.

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Poster: unclejohnnyd Date: Aug 28, 2006 10:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: China-Rider Typo

Oh YEAH! I was at this one too and I gotta say there's a common denominator here: great China/Rider= Bobby's hook riff thing that makes that song great being prominant in the mix.

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Poster: Fishead Date: Aug 30, 2006 8:56am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: China-Rider

3-30-89 greensboro is one of thee best !!!! i get chills every time i listen to it and the crowd goin nuts !!!

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Poster: sydthecat Date: Aug 31, 2006 8:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: China-Rider

Greensboro '89! I was there and it was the most fun I've had doing a China Cat!

I highly recomment Philly Spectrum 1990! It is a monster!!! Please play it. If you're a Jerry fan he really burns the place up. The roof cme off my car listening to it yesterday.

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Poster: Fishead Date: Sep 1, 2006 5:56am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: China-Rider

so you were there too....that 2nd set was some of the best shit i ever seen!!!! that other one>stella>sugar just takes you back ......

now onto 1990 spectrum ..oh yeah ..that's my backyard never missed a show past 1987 ...you can thell with brent's passing the boys were not gonna hold back ...those 3 shows were spectacular and the 1st he's gone since brent's passing is all you need to hear!!!

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Poster: sydthecat Date: Sep 1, 2006 6:22am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: China-Rider

The Sugar Mag in Greensboro was killer as well.

I did '89 Spectrum shows---got California earthquake but it was the only locale on that fall tour they didn't paly Dark Star (or is that just my bitter memory) Love the Spectrum!! Warm feelings for Spring '89 Pittsburgh as well.

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Poster: Fishead Date: Sep 1, 2006 9:56am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: China-Rider

i don't think charlotte got a darkstar either !!

maybe we didnt get darkstar @ 89 philly but we did get the killer help>slip>franks and death don't !!!!!

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Poster: sydthecat Date: Sep 4, 2006 12:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: China-Rider

Too true! I burst into tears when the kicked into Franklin's. (It was my first Help>Slipknot>Frank)

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Poster: unclejohnnyd Date: Aug 28, 2006 9:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: China-Rider

Hands down my favorite is 5-19-74 - beautiful perfect transition and Weirs signature riff is well in the mix.

6-16-90 - Probably my 10th show or so, besides the excellant Estimated,Terrapin and China Doll I'm not sure why this one sticks out for everyone so much. Better re-listen and re-live huh?

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Poster: stilldead77 Date: Aug 29, 2006 6:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: China-Rider

I've been high on 3-9-81 for a week or so, very essential aud recording.

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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Aug 29, 2006 7:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: China-Rider

a long time favorite of mine is 11/11/73 Winterland